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MessagePosté le: Lun 19 Déc 2005 3:30 am    Sujet du message: 6th wto conference Répondre en citant

pentru cei care inteleg ca centrul lumii nu se afla in partidul bobular, va propun ca subiect cea de-a sasea confernta ministeriala a wto. desfasurata, yeap, pana ieri la hk.

discutand despre ce s-a intamplat inauntrul conferintei, ei bine marea shmekerie a fost adoptarea unui text care termina subventiile agricole pana in 2013. de fapt, ideea era sa se termine "cat mai curand". cei mai "rai" in sustinerea subventiilor au fost, evident, cei mai "subventionisti", aka eu si usa. usa a acceptat ca data de terminare a subventiilor 2010, da' ue a tinut mortis la 2013. si asa a ramas. despre liberalizarea pietei serviciilor, nici un cuvant, din cate stiu. in afara reuniunilor mari, s-au intemplat sute de reuniuni bilaterale mici dar al dracului de grele. si, spun surse din interior, cei mai productivi au fost ... rushii, care au semnat o armata de intelegeri bipartite mici. foarte activa, delegatia rusa a avut in persoana ofiterului de legatura un decoy treribil. o gagica buna minijupata, dupa care se uitau toti, in timp ce restul delegatilor s-au imprastiat ca o bomba cu fragmentatie in cautarea acestor mici intelegeri bipartite. in tot acest timp, gagica facea figuratie iar seful delegatiei impartea zambete si strangeri de mana ... cei mai de cur au fost africanii, care, cu exceptia celor care vindeau banane, intarziau cu orele. enfin ... mai am detalii.

ce s-a intamplat in afara conferintei, si aici ma refer la proteste, arata ca demagogia, pardon, democratia vestica nu face doi bani in fata profesionalismului. trebuie sa stiti ca hk a refuzat sa acorde drept de intrare celor mai periculosi demonstranti, pana si jose bove a stat pe tusa la aeroport, norocu lui ca aintervenit consulatu si msiu pascal lamy in persoana, ca sa il lase sa intre. si cand a fost lasat sa intre, i s-a explicat ca ... nu va fi niciodata singur ...

urmarea? jose bove a stat mai mereu in conferinta. protestele au fost mai degraba artistico-penibile. nici o vitrina n-a fo sparta. ingurele violente s-au inregistrat sambata seara (am fo si eu sa casc gura, ca de altfel mai bine de 20k de cetateni care stateam pe margine si ne uitam la aia ca la urs.

cum s-a terminat criza de sambata? pana la ora 3 si 10, politia i-a tinut p-aia inconjurati. p-orma la 3 si 10 s-a anumntat "protestul dvs e ilegal, sunteti toti arestati". in prezent, se afla in stare de arest creca 2000 de oameni. toata lumea credea ca ii vor expulza si gata. ei bine, se pare ca vor fi judecati si ca vor face puscarie. ceea ce, dupa parerea mea, cam si merita.
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MessagePosté le: Lun 19 Déc 2005 5:47 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Bah, ce conferinta credibila e aia fara Mc Donalduri fara vitrine Laughing
Desi nu sunt (evident) de acord cau astfel de tip de violenta, nici "incadrarea" opozitiei (pana e pasnica, dar EVIDENT galagioasa) nu imi surade... Evil or Very Mad
Este poate si mai grav decat trei vitrine sparte... Crying or Very sad
In acelasi timp Herr Bove' bine i-au facut, nici dreaq' nu stie din ce traieste asta si cine ai paste caprele cat timp e in puscarie... Neutral
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MessagePosté le: Lun 19 Déc 2005 5:58 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

mah, faza cu bove o stiu en detail, ca l-or retinut de cum o aterizat si or vrut sa-l trimeata inapoi. i-au facut o fisa in care-i cereau neste raspunsuri. de ex:

q: de ce sunteti aici?
a: daca m-ati adus aici, stiti de ce sunt in hk

q: ati venit singur sau insotit?
a: am venit insotit de delegatia fermierilor coreeni

q: ati fost vreodata arestat?
a: de muuulte ori

etc ...

a fost anuntat de decizia de expluzare si era extrem de nervos. a dat tel la fransanter, unde pascal lamy dadea interviu. pana la urma, a dat de el si l-a pus sa spuna in direct c-o sa faca interventii sa-l lase in hk. palmagiu' de lamy a intervenit si ... i-au dat drumu'.

acu', sincer sa fiu, facarii de tzarani coreeni, impreuna cu aia francezi, sunt impotriva reducerii subventiilor si a deschiderii gramitelor. din cauza "concurentei". ce au omis sa spuna (foarte diplomatic, de altfel) era ca tzaranu' kinez facea parte din "concurenta" impotriva careia luptau ...

stii, foarte multi oameni de pe aici n-au fost de acord sa vina aia sa protesteze. hk traieste din comert, man ...
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MessagePosté le: Lun 19 Déc 2005 6:32 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=20&art_id=8123&sid=5962524&con_type=5

The violent enemy within

My mother used to tell me to pick my friends carefully, as you would be judged by their actions. As a child, this seemed unfair. Now I get it. Hong Kong's Confederation of Trade Unions is still standing by their friends, the Korean Peasants' League. It is too bad they do not stand with the people of Hong Kong.

Andrew Work

Monday, December 19, 2005

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My mother used to tell me to pick my friends carefully, as you would be judged by their actions. As a child, this seemed unfair. Now I get it. Hong Kong's Confederation of Trade Unions is still standing by their friends, the Korean Peasants' League. It is too bad they do not stand with the people of Hong Kong.

Hong Kong withstood a violent physical and economic assault over the weekend. Our police force performed admirably in containing, and not escalating, a carefully-laid plan to attack our police, disrupt civil society and vandalize public property. This was part of an orchestrated campaign to build public support through limited actions and "meet the public" exercises culminating in a scheduled assault on the convention center.

The actions of the KPL are understandable. Sixty-three percent of their income comes from government support totaling almost US$20 billion (HK$156 billion). Like a desperate heroin junkie, they are willing to resort to violence to ensure the next hit. They are concerned for their livelihood and rightly so. It is dependent on the Korean government collecting taxes and enforcing quotas to keep cheap rice away from Korean consumers. Part of that money must be funneled into the massive street level lobbying (rioting) to slow the removal of quotas.

For 1,300 farmers to come to Hong Kong, it costs over US$2 million not including advance visits, equipment and administration. Fortunately, they are fighting a losing battle - hence their vehemence. Their actions, I am sure, seem totally justified to them - although why their livelihood is more important than that of a street-sweeper, semiconductor factory worker or a single mother working as a waitress is beyond me. All of those people pay rice prices up to seven times world average and taxes to support this elite group of lobbyists.

KPL funding, organization and professionalism clearly impressed their accomplices in Hong Kong. "People in Hong Kong have to learn a lot from your determination and your self- restraint," said [Elizabeth] Tang, director of the Hong Kong People's Alliance on the WTO. "You have done a great job. You have shown to us and the Hong Kong people what `people power' is."

The people of Hong Kong, with their peaceful rallies for democracy with hundreds of thousands, could teach the KPL a few things about civil behavior.

Even on Saturday night, Tang was still criticizing the Hong Kong police and apologizing for the KPL.

Just who is the CTU looking out for? Shop owners in Wanchai that are losing money in the crucial pre-Christmas season? Our Hong Kong police force? The thousands of Hong Kongers whose lives were undisturbed by the WTO until the KPL went on the rampage?

Some say to invite the WTO is to invite this trouble. But offering to host a meeting to reduce quotas and subsidies that keep the poor world poor was not a mistake. It is an honor to play a constructive role in freeing trade.

The Hong Kong unions facilitated the KPL visit. Their claims before the WTO that the Koreans assured them there would only be peaceful protest, unless "provoked," defy belief. The only question is why would they want to aid and abet those who came to attack our police and destroy our city?

As the main enablers securing permits, licenses and visas for the KPL, they are the fifth column in Hong Kong and their real interests have been exposed. The CTU is working with the KPL in the best sense of mutual alignment. The KPL gets local assistance in making a show of strength to their national government. The CTU is able to generate sympathy for a broader socialist agenda and acceptance for more militant action.

One new protester, Lee Wai-yee, somehow made the logical leap from Korean farmers losing their welfare supports to ParknShop and Wellcome putting small grocery stores out of business. This is what the CTU is after. As they build support for the socialist agenda in one area, they create a mindset that capitalism is bad and needs to be controlled through government intervention. If the KPL members are persecuted, then so are many others.

We need to use the government to control outcomes in society. If the government doesn't, then violent protest has become legitimized by lamenting the plight of the well-traveled KPL members. Leung Kwok-hung, alias "Long Hair," Hong Kong's best- branded protester, has been quite open about what a fantastic opportunity this has been to learn from the Koreans.

This same sense of outrage will be used to protect other people's "way of life." This then justifies restrictive labor laws that enrich union members while locking non-members out of the workforce, driving unemployment up to European double-digit levels.

By gaining sympathy for the KPL in the run-up to mass violence, has the CTU been testing the waters to see how Hong Kong responds to violence in the name of moral outrage? Are they waiting to see if the Hong Kong public will give them a green light to adopt the same tactics?

Tang is calling for the release of Korean protesters arrested by the police. Would she call for clemency if I assaulted a Hong Kong police officer? They have spent months building the case that their intentions are peaceful, but righteousness justifies violence. "We plan to be peaceful, but if our voice is not heard ..."

Hong Kong people will not be impressed. Some have been swayed by the clever KPL public relations efforts. However, our populace has some of the highest newspaper readership levels in the world. We are analytical and critical.

Our voices are heard through peaceful means. We have no need to import violent protest, certainly not to advance a broad socialist agenda. Hopefully our unions have learned a lesson about violence. I believe the Hong Kong people have learned not only about mob violence, but the cynical self-interest that drives it.

Andrew Work is director of The Lion Rock Institute, an independent trade policy think-tank
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